New amd zen??

[ReloadedKamel]

I read a little bit of info on this new CPU AMD is making, Called the ZEN.
If anyone has any info let me know, Im gonna be upgrading to a 4770 but idk if I should wait for this new ZEN

[ZED]

I read a little bit of info on this new CPU AMD is making, Called the ZEN.
If anyone has any info let me know, Im gonna be upgrading to a 4770 but idk if I should wait for this new ZEN

If you are willing to upgrade to ZEN then you will have to upgrade: Motherboard, RAM, CPU.

According to rumors ZEN will be up to 40% faster than its predecessor, which means that in terms of AMD vs Intel performance it will get closer to Intel but still will not beat, since most Intel CPU's in the same class are 50% - 60% more powerful. Considering that Kaby Lake according to rumors will be faster than current Skylake by at least 10% that creates that gap even larger. So, potentially Kaby Lake may be faster than ZEN by 20% - 30%. Also, according to rumors it doesn't sound that ZEN will be cheap.

But those are only rumors. So, lets wait and see. I bet on that ZEN will be 20% slower than Kaby Lake based on facts how AMD marketed their RX 480 vs GTX 1080 :-))))

[Dabba]

If you are willing to upgrade to ZEN then you will have to upgrade: Motherboard, RAM, CPU.

According to rumors ZEN will be up to 40% faster than its predecessor, which means that in terms of AMD vs Intel performance it will get closer to Intel but still will not beat, since most Intel CPU's in the same class are 50% - 60% more powerful. Considering that Kaby Lake according to rumors will be faster than current Skylake by at least 10% that creates that gap even larger. So, potentially Kaby Lake may be faster than ZEN by 20% - 30%. Also, according to rumors it doesn't sound that ZEN will be cheap.

But those are only rumors. So, lets wait and see. I bet on that ZEN will be 20% slower than Kaby Lake based on facts how AMD marketed their RX 480 vs GTX 1080 :-))))

It also looks like it will take the am4 socket, of which there are no motherboards out I think.

[Velozzity]

I don't think Zen is really aimed at people who want to buy a low to mid range Intel cpu. Most likely Zen will flourish for those who want 6+ cores considering all initial press releases show Zen to be on scale with Broadwell E but at a substantially lower cost. Also the bit about rx 480 versus Gtx 1080. I would assume a GTX 1080 would be a lot more powerful than a rx480. Rx480 (1080p card) was never meant to be a direct competitor to the high end 10 series cards (1440p to 4k cards) considering it cost between 150-400 dollars less (depending if we are talking 1080 or 1070)

[Velozzity]

The thing I forgot to ask was if you are currently on a z87/z97 socket. If so some black friday sales have the 4790k around $250 usd, that would be the fastest drop in cpu you could get for that chipset.

[A_goat]

You would be much better off with that 4770.

[ZED]

What did you want me to get from that? I'm aware the differences between i5 and i7 while playing one game are negligible.
The 9% you're referencing to is simply effective speed. When it comes to multi-threaded applications, the i7 is over 40% more effective.

are we talking about the workstation or gaming PC?

[A_goat]

My workstation is my gaming pc, so yes!

haha. We've gone way off-topic here.
You said getting i7 over an i5 is nonsense in regards to gaming performance.
I was just throwing it out there that there are many reasons why someone would buy an i7 over an i5 while still wanting to game with it. It's very much not nonsense.

[ZED]

My workstation is my gaming pc, so yes!

haha. We've gone way off-topic here.
You said getting i7 over an i5 is nonsense in regards to gaming performance.
I was just throwing it out there that there are many reasons why someone would buy an i7 over an i5 while still wanting to game with it. It's very much not nonsense.

you need to reread my comments buddy.

[A_goat]

you need to reread my comments buddy.

You said "I think upgrading at this point to 4790k is a nonsense considering that i5 6600k is $100 cheaper and is on par with 4790k when it comes to gaming performance. "

The 6600k chip itself is cheaper yea, but it would still be much more money to get negligible performance difference in games, while severely downgrading multitasking capability.
Did I miss something?

[ZED]

You said "I think upgrading at this point to 4790k is a nonsense considering that i5 6600k is $100 cheaper and is on par with 4790k when it comes to gaming performance. "

The 6600k chip itself is cheaper yea, but it would still be much more money to get negligible performance difference in games, while severely downgrading multitasking capability.
Did I miss something?

Yes, the topic is about a gaming rig and i5 6600k is on par with 4790k and once overclocked it beats 4790k in gaming. Yes, 4790k may be better option for certain tasks but those task would be done in a Workstation environment meaning that you are doing things that are not gaming related. i5 6600k perfectly handles games, powerful GPU's, Shadowplay, renders video's, streaming and other stuff that is gaming related. Yeah, if you are a professional who does video's for a living and those are huge video projects with lots of special effects and so on then you shouldn't even consider gaming grade i7. Instead you should be looking at something like i7 Extreme edition. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be considering i7 at all but buying a chip that is a generation older, costs much more and is on par and in some cases slower, that is just nonsense.

You can take a look at this compare and you will see that for gaming i5 6600k is perfectly fine and is on par. Also, you will see that i5 6600k has faster Quad Core processing power, which is important in applications and games that support Quad Core. Moreover, Skylake is a good chip when it comes to overclocking.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...00K/2384vs3503

[A_goat]

We don't know if its for only a gaming rig, that's what I've been saying lol.
He might already have a 4690k and it will still be worthless to upgrade to a 6600k.

I'm not saying i5 shouldn't be considered at all, I was stating the i7 will still be a better choice depending on what he wants to do with it.
I brought it up because you were saying i5 like it was the only option.

[ZED]

We don't know if its for only a gaming rig, that's what I've been saying lol.
He might already have a 4690k and it will still be worthless to upgrade to a 6600k.

I'm not saying i5 shouldn't be considered at all, I was stating the i7 will still be a better choice depending on what he wants to do with it.
I brought it up because you were saying i5 like it was the only option.

I didn't say like it was only option. That's why I told you you misread all my comments. As a matter of fact I did recommend to wait for Kaby Lake and get a Kaby Lake CPU, weather it is i5 or i7. I just made a point that upgrading to 4790k at this point is nonsense and explained why. Ofcourse i7 is a better option. I myself will be getting i7 7700k because going for i7 6700k in my situation at this point is also nonsense. Although 6700k is a better option than 6600k but not in this given situation and time of the year when in 2 month there will be 7700k out there, which will deliver more performance for the same money that you would pay for 6700k unless it's not on the sale. Also, knowing that i7 7700k will be compatible with Z170 boards, I don't need to upgrade my motherboard. All I will need to do is to update BIOS. As matter of fact ASUS already released BIOS update that makes Z170 chipset compatible with i7 7700k.

[AOD_ReloadedKamel]

Hi guys thanks for the info, I ended up settling with the 7700. It only took 2 years to decide but hey thanks again.