R.I.P intel - Ryzen prices revealed

[ZED]

As title says. Intel will have a hard time once Ryzen is out with these prices

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyle.../#615bf9736e7c

[kirsch]

I know everyone is hype on Ryzen but cores and threads dont mean anything to me.

Is there actual comparison tests out yet?

[Master Butters]

I know everyone is hype on Ryzen but cores and threads dont mean anything to me.

Is there actual comparison tests out yet?

This.

AMD's 8350 was an 8 core CPU (The way I understand it, it was 4 cores with 2 "soft cores" per core, not hyperthreaded, but 8 real cores), and was cheaper than Intel's 4 core i7 4700 (I think that's the one that was released around the same time), but Intel's CPU beat it out in terms of sheer power per core and used much less power in doing so.

AMD's a great budget brand. They release stuff that can definitely compare to the power of Intel's and Nvidia's stuff at a fraction of the price. With Intel though, you get what you pay for. Better stability (Though, in my personal experience, I've never had stability issues with AMD. Though, my experience is limited to my last CPU, the 8350), stronger single core power, and uses less energy too.


I genuinely hope that AMD's new chip will be a real competitor for Intel, as Intel hasn't really made any huge leaps (in my opinion, but I also haven't been keeping up on technology for the last couple years) in their technology. I haven't seen much of a difference between the i7 4700 and the i7 6700 (I own the 6700k, not that it matters) and those are a few years apart. Hopefully Ryzen will light a fire under Intel's ass to get them to start working on a real next gen CPU. haha

[kirsch]

I have the 6700k as well and am curious to see how these compare.

Thanks for the info!

[ZED]

This.

AMD's 8350 was an 8 core CPU (The way I understand it, it was 4 cores with 2 "soft cores" per core, not hyperthreaded, but 8 real cores), and was cheaper than Intel's 4 core i7 4700 (I think that's the one that was released around the same time), but Intel's CPU beat it out in terms of sheer power per core and used much less power in doing so.

AMD's a great budget brand. They release stuff that can definitely compare to the power of Intel's and Nvidia's stuff at a fraction of the price. With Intel though, you get what you pay for. Better stability (Though, in my personal experience, I've never had stability issues with AMD. Though, my experience is limited to my last CPU, the 8350), stronger single core power, and uses less energy too.


I genuinely hope that AMD's new chip will be a real competitor for Intel, as Intel hasn't really made any huge leaps (in my opinion, but I also haven't been keeping up on technology for the last couple years) in their technology. I haven't seen much of a difference between the i7 4700 and the i7 6700 (I own the 6700k, not that it matters) and those are a few years apart. Hopefully Ryzen will light a fire under Intel's ass to get them to start working on a real next gen CPU. haha

I know everyone is hype on Ryzen but cores and threads dont mean anything to me.

Is there actual comparison tests out yet?

The reason why everyone is so hyped about Ryzen is because of good old days when AMD and Intel were so competitive. Those days were 1990s and early 2000s until Intel released Core 2 DUO in 2006 July.
I remember this so well because in early 2000s AMD was kicking ass with their AMD Athlon 64 to Intel's Pentium 4 and even Intel's first generation Dual Core CPU (Yonah). AMD Athlon 64 was a beast back then and had great IPC and was also a very good overclocker. Back then I had one of those beastly CPU's AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester

Things changed when Intel released their Core 2 DUO and AMD CEO changed in 2006 but now that AMD has new CEO, situation is getting better for AMD and with Ryzen they will Rise back to competitive CPU market. This means that no more overpriced CPU's cause Intel will have to sweat again like they did back in those days.

As for tests. Yes there is a test were Ryzen goes head to head with Intel i7 6900k CPU and beats it. Ryzen was not even running in boost mode but rather was on stock speeds, which was the most impressive part.
Now that we see these prices then prepare CPU market to be shaken really hard. Prices on Intel will drop significantly (reason why I'm still not upgrading my i5 6600k to i7 7700k). Moreover, Intel is sweating so hard that they will release an updated Kaby Lake for i5 and i7 to compete with Ryzen. Yes, Intel is releasing i5 7640k and i7 7740k. According to latest news then i5 7640k will have Hyper Threading. The first 4 core i5 that will have Hyper Threading. More details here:
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-77...40k-amd-ryzen/

So as you can see, if Intel are planning to release CPU's that they didn't even previously mention about then I guess shit hit the fan in Intel's office and now they have their pants full of crap.\

This year will be very exciting in CPU market and very exciting for gamers. That's why I'm so hyped about this because I may finally see those good old days again.

[AOD_Templar8899]

Still gonna buy a cannonlake.....

AMD has yet to beat out Intel on memory Cache, and more MC always made the CPU better at handle heavy loads.

Plus did they mention the die size of Ryzen?

[Mouselad]

Intel usually performs better on games, because they have better single core performance, and most games don't take advantage of AMD's multiple cores. an 8 core AMD processor is about on par with a mid-range i5.

[ZED]

Intel usually performs better on games, because they have better single core performance, and most games don't take advantage of AMD's multiple cores. an 8 core AMD processor is about on par with a mid-range i5.

Are you referring to current generation Intel vs AMD?

I think AMD Ryzen will bring back those good old times (1990s and early 2000s) when AMD vs Intel competition was close and AMD actually kicked Intel's ass back in 2000 - 2006.
Ryzen is a completely rebuilt architecture and is 40% faster over their previous gen CPU's. First tests already showed that AMD Ryzen top CPU beats Intel i7 6900k. That's $500 CPU vs $1000. Intel will have to bring down those prices significantly and even improve performance on their Kaby Lake CPU's. Thus, Intel will release updated Kaby Lake CPU's, i5 7640k with Hyper Threading and i7 7740k.

[AOD_Archangel]

Oh dear... I might have to resurrect my AMD vs Intel thread...

[A_goat]

I'll be waiting for actual benchmarks and actual prices before I start talking smack, lol.

[AOD_Templar8899]

Oh dear... I might have to resurrect my AMD vs Intel thread...

Dooo-eeeet.

But echoing "A goat" said, lets see what the actually benchmarks says. Either AMD returns back as the champion, or they are keeping in pace with Intel. Time will tell.

Also when you comparing Ryzen to Intel. Are we just comparing it to Kaby lake or below? Or you saying Ryzen goning to out perform Intel's Cannonlake that is coming out in about 7-9 months?

[ZED]

Also when you comparing Ryzen to Intel. Are we just comparing it to Kaby lake or below? Or you saying Ryzen goning to out perform Intel's Cannonlake that is coming out in about 7-9 months?

There is no evidence that Cannonlake will be even released in 2017. Cannonlake is planned to be released sometime in 2018. In 7 - 9 month (to be more specific - August, 2017) we will see i5 7640k and i7 7740k. Ryzen is compared with Kaby Lake and Broadwell E.
More details about i5 7640k and i7 7740k in this article:
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-77...40k-amd-ryzen/

By the time Cannonlake will be released I'm sure AMD will prepare their answer as well.

When Ryzen will be officially released this March, it will be interesting to watch how it will impact CPU market. If Forbes was accurate then we might see a significant drop on Intel CPU's. Moreover, now that Intel has confirmed i5 7640k and i7 7740k then it surely serves as a fact that Intel begin to shit their pants. Otherwise they would not even release these CPU's.

This whole thing is not about who wins and makes a faster CPU but it's about consumer side that if AMD indeed will release competitive CPU's with lower price tag then us "CONSUMERS" will only benefit from lower prices on CPU's. Intel for years has been abusing CPU market with overpriced CPU's and this has to end. Same goes NVIDIA vs AMD, which is another story since AMD is preparing Vega with HBM2 memory and it rumors suspect that new Vega GPU's will beat GTX 1080 Ti with a much lower price tag and higher performance. In other words, exciting year for PC gamers.

[Mjwitz]

I cant wait for the reviewers to start getting samples so we can finally tell how good Ryzen will be and what kind of people should be getting it

[Dabba]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyle.../#7527ee0f69ce


Updated prices and performance leaks.

I am excite

[Das_Qrow]

I doubt they'll be in trouble for a few reasons.
1. If it is just competitive and doesn't overpower current Intel architecture, Intel can just lower prices.
2. Server/ business markets are already saturated and few companies can/ will make a hard switch for a few percent more performance.
3. Even if they beat Intel current offerings most non consumers will probably not switch immediately due to speculation and the fact that it's taken AMD so long to come out with something that just competes.
4. Who says Intel hasn't been holding back, they have been doing incremental updates ever since the new gen Core i-Series and could have some actual improvements that (would take time to implement) can straight up allow them to remain on top. Doubt the consumer market is their main focus though.
5. Most gamers that couldn't wait to upgrade can't just switch systems, especially if it just competes and they've already built a new one.

98% of the used hardware material we get at work is Intel based laptops and desktops. (Core2- i3,i5,i7 series) We get this stuff from companies.
Nothing against AMD if they actually breakthrough again with a decent product it will be good for them/ the market if they keep up with this for more than one cycle they can actually make a difference. Not to say Intel prices won't drop fairly shortly if they do bust out something decent/great. This is also the first MOBO/ chipset update for them in years and they expect to go to 2020 with it.

[ZED]

I doubt they'll be in trouble for a few reasons.
1. If it is just competitive and doesn't overpower current Intel architecture, Intel can just lower prices.

That's what they will be forced to do. Moreover, Intel is going to release updated Kaby Lake on August, 2017. Hence i5 7640k and i7 7740k.

I doubt they'll be in trouble for a few reasons.
2. Server/ business markets are already saturated and few companies can/ will make a hard switch for a few percent more performance.

AMD is not targeting server market. They are targeting Gamer and Workstation market. Although, since AMD die is smaller than Intel and has no onboard graphics, it may not be appealing to producers who do not use dedicated graphics cards. However, this leaves a huge headroom for AMD to add more cores, threads and increase performance on their CPU's. The thing is not about switch but the fact that Intel will have to lower prices and due to that AMD CPU's will be cheaper and will deliver same or higher performance for less money.

I doubt they'll be in trouble for a few reasons.
3. Even if they beat Intel current offerings most non consumers will probably not switch immediately due to speculation and the fact that it's taken AMD so long to come out with something that just competes.

Ofcourse not. But there are plenty of people out there who do not have Skylake or Kaby Lake. Thus, it will be a good time for them to switch. There are more budget builds than PC Master Race builds.

[Das_Qrow]

I realize these things, that's why they won't exactly be in trouble. They would be if the were in AMDs position and could only try and make a comeback with consumer only. Since they have a hand in everything else they'll do just fine and adjust their consumer portions accordingly. Good for those who need cheaper stuff in the meantime but AMD needs to provide consistent results in order to change long term pricing and market share.

[ZED]

I realize these things, that's why they won't exactly be in trouble. They would be if the were in AMDs position and could only try and make a comeback with consumer only. Since they have a hand in everything else they'll do just fine and adjust their consumer portions accordingly. Good for those who need cheaper stuff in the meantime but AMD needs to provide consistent results in order to change long term pricing and market share.

Ofcourse it will take time to gain those market shares back. But the point here is, will AMD bring back good old times when CPU market was more competitive and prices were more relative than it's now with overpriced Intel CPU prices? Hence, 1990s and early 2000s (till 2006). In 2006 CPU market share was 50/50 AMD vs Intel. But when Intel released their Core 2 DUO in July, 2006 they began to crush the market and take the lead.

Take a look at this graph.

[Das_Qrow]

Yeah i was gonna say it's been about 10 years. I just hope for gaming sake their CPU and GPU remain competitive for the next few years at the very least. I would say 200 for mid range and 500 at most for High end graphics, and 300 at most for an unlocked i7 and 850 for their 10 core monster.. Nvidia CEO even said last year at GDC they could have released a GPU that was 10 years ahead.

Come on 1700 bucks for a 10 core? 1k for 8 cores? Where is the market for that? It goes beyond enthusiast and starts breaking into the workstation/power user segment at that point Xeon with ECC might be a competing option, hell some of the better boards already accept Xeons.

[ZED]

New leaked benchmarks days before the official launch.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyle.../#7f946d8662fe