Persistent Computer Freeze Issue

[Symsyr]

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005O65JXI..._w55Mzb1TDGB4N

ARCTIC MX-4 Thermal Compound Paste, Carbon Based High Performance, Heatsink Paste, Thermal Compound CPU for All Coolers, Thermal Interface Material - 4 Grams https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045JCFLY..._r65MzbJ3AGWMD

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[effectiv]

Yeah, lol! 150+ is the way to go now.

Yeah, deffo need to replace thermal and most likely upgrade CPU fan since this is going to be a gaming PC not the office PC.
Moreover, PSU is at 159C, it either needs fan replacement or just simply get a new one.

TBH given that the CPU cooler is still functional, an aftermarket CPU cooler may not be needed.

Temps for an i7 during gaming on a stock cooler can hit pretty high temps and be fine, just not as high as he's getting lol. Those temps should be in game temps at load.

Also, this may be faulty reads on the temps. A 1000w psu shouldn't ever be hitting 159c. That would most likely kill it. Same with the mobo (note, I can't see the screenshot yet).


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[Symsyr]

I'm kind of curious what hwmonitor would read on my computer now

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[ZED]

TBH given that the CPU cooler is still functional, an aftermarket CPU cooler may not be needed.

Temps for an i7 during gaming on a stock cooler can hit pretty high temps and be fine, just not as high as he's getting lol. Those temps should be in game temps at load.

Also, this may be faulty reads on the temps. A 1000w psu shouldn't ever be hitting 159c. That would most likely kill it. Same with the mobo (note, I can't see the screenshot yet).


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Mobo CPU socket is at 159C, which is overkill. CPU temp on boot is like 98C. It is cooking motherboard.

[ZED]

Hi everyone,
In November I got a computer off my workplace. I put a EVGA 1070 in it, and besides for the occasional system lock up maybe once a month, things were good. For the last three to five weeks, my PC frequently locks up, two or three times a night forcing me to hold the power button down until it shuts off and then I start it up again. When it locks up, basically everything stops. Sometimes, if I have music playing, it will just get stuck on one tone and repeat that same tone rapidly (sounds bloody awful on the ears). Most times, everything just stops. My mouse stops, windows stops, Esc or CTRL-ALT-DEL don’t work. Nothing. No responsiveness.

I used CCleaner to clean my registry thinking that it might have been a file issue, done that several times and still have the freezes.

I don’t think it’s a heat issue because it usually freezes shortly after booting, within 15 minutes or less, when my PC is cool.

Sometimes, my PC fans will suddenly whirl up and be running on high speed, sounding like the PC is about to take off a runway or something…when I am not even at my PC doing anything. I am worried my PC is infected with something, or maybe it’s an issue with windows. Windows Defender is enabled and found no threats. When I tried to install Spybot Search and Destroy it just kept giving me an error every time I went to update it, and it wouldn’t let me scan my system until I updated it, making me wonder if something internal has blocked it (like a virus or something)

Any ideas?

Here’s my specs:

Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Lenovo ThinkStation BIOS Ver 60KT45.0
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 980 @ 3.33GHz (12 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 24GB DDR3
DirectX Version: DirectX 12
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 1070
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Type: Full Device
Display Memory: 20369 MB
Dedicated Memory: 8085 MB
Shared Memory: 12283 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (59Hz)
400GB SSD (C:), 124GB free
2TB HDD (E:)
2x 500GB HDD in RAID (G:/H:)
PSU: 1,000W

I just checked if your CPU would be compatible with the AIO 120 Cooler that I have and it is compatible. So, if you want, I can give you away Deepcool Captain 120 AIO cooler. It is quite good cooler and is in good working condition. I replaced it once I upgraded my i5 6600k with i7 7700k.

I was overclocking my i5 6600k to 4.4 Ghz and the cooler would keep the CPU cool under 65 C during any game that I threw at it.

So, let me know if you want that cooler.

[AOD_Anvil]

Holy heck. That's a lot to take in.

Ok...answers..

Master Butters: No overclocking

Symsyr: I doubt the thermal paste has ever been replaced. Can do that no problem

Effectiv: I don't think the thermal paste has ever been replaced. I've built a few computers before so I am so-so comfortable with the pc hardware stuff. I also have you lovely folks plus youtube (my guidebook for life lol). I don't think it's an aftermarket cooler. I think it's stock.

Zed: I am in Toronto also. How do I tell you if it's compatible? Maybe we can meet up for breakfast? LOL! Pic of the machine attached, it says Intel so I am assuming that's the shitty default you mentioned? On the mobo melting...will thermal paste and new heatsink/fan fix that?

Part of the PSU Heat issue may be that it's actually a 650W not a 1000W as I believed. The fan is spinning in the PSU.

[effectiv]

Mobo CPU socket is at 159C, which is overkill. CPU temp on boot is like 98C. It is cooking motherboard.

I don't think that's possible without killing the hardware. It's possible for a sensor to have gone bad. Wouldn't be the first time.

See this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...mperature.html




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[Symsyr]

I just checked if your CPU would be compatible with the AIO 120 Cooler that I have and it is compatible. So, if you want, I can give you away Deepcool Captain 120 AIO cooler. It is quite good cooler and is in good working condition. I replaced it once I upgraded my i5 6600k with i7 7700k.

I was overclocking my i5 6600k to 4.4 Ghz and the cooler would keep the CPU cool under 65 C during any game that I threw at it.

So, let me know if you want that cooler.

Zed,

As an off-topic, have you had any interaction with Ryzen? In everything that I have looked it, it looks like it can compete with an i5 and i7 fairly easy, especially since ASUS is releasing an actual ROG board for the first time in forever for AMD.

[ZED]

Zed: I am in Toronto also. How do I tell you if it's compatible? Maybe we can meet up for breakfast? LOL! Pic of the machine attached, it says Intel so I am assuming that's the shitty default you mentioned? On the mobo melting...will thermal paste and new heatsink/fan fix that?

Oh, I checked, that cooler is compatible with your CPU. So, yeah, lets meet for a breakfast or something. I have that cooler with the original box and everything.
That cooler + new thermal paste will make your CPU cold even while playing games. I'm pretty sure you won't go past 60C on stock CPU frequency. So, you can even try to overclock it.

[ZED]

I don't think that's possible without killing the hardware. It's possible for a sensor to have gone bad. Wouldn't be the first time.

See this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...mperature.html




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Oh, it is very possible. I've seen motherboards fried like that :-) Still remember that burned smell :-)

[AOD_Anvil]

Just saw your response Zed, replies are coming too fast for me to type and keep up haha

Yeah, that cooler would be awesome if it'll fix my issues I'll be a very happy man. Cheers mate.

Edit: Zed are you in TS?

[ZED]

Zed,

As an off-topic, have you had any interaction with Ryzen? In everything that I have looked it, it looks like it can compete with an i5 and i7 fairly easy, especially since ASUS is releasing an actual ROG board for the first time in forever for AMD.

I haven't played with Ryzen yet myself but I might be building one soon. Not for myself tho. From what I researched and learned about Ryzen, it is a very good CPU for workstation/desktop - it just destroys Intel in Price/Performance when it comes to Desktop/Workstation. Although, it lags behind Intel in gaming but not by much but is better in Multitasking. So, once game devs will begin to optimize games for more than 4 cores and also do more optimization for AMD CPU's then I believe AMD will be back in the game like it was back in 2000 - 2006 when it was giving a really hard time to Intel in gaming (I remember that cause I had Pentium 4 and then upgraded to Athlon 64).

[ZED]

Just saw your response Zed, replies are coming too fast for me to type and keep up haha

Yeah, that cooler would be awesome if it'll fix my issues I'll be a very happy man. Cheers mate.

Edit: Zed are you in TS?

I'm not in TS right now. Lets get on TS tomorrow or send me a PM with time and day when you would like to get on.

[effectiv]

Oh, it is very possible. I've seen motherboards fried like that :-) Still remember that burned smell :-)

I think you misinterpreted what I meant.

I meant the hardware would kill itself (fry) before it could ever get that hot. If it's 159c (still can't see the picture..off in 4 mins) that's like oven temperatures. If you read the thread I posted, other people also say it's not physically possible and agree it's a bad sensor.

Anvil, try reapplying the thermal paste and see what happens. If it's been running on the same stock paste for nearly a decade, there's a good chance the first application has whittled down to a pitiful existence. It seems to me like the rest of your system is functioning given the CPU fan is spinning.


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[Symsyr]

I haven't played with Ryzen yet myself but I might be building one soon. Not for myself tho. From what I researched and learned about Ryzen, it is a very good CPU for workstation/desktop - it just destroys Intel in Price/Performance when it comes to Desktop/Workstation. Although, it lags behind Intel in gaming but not by much but is better in Multitasking. So, once game devs will begin to optimize games for more than 4 cores and also do more optimization for AMD CPU's then I believe AMD will be back in the game like it was back in 2000 - 2006 when it was giving a really hard time to Intel in gaming (I remember that cause I had Pentium 4 and then upgraded to Athlon 64).

I remember when AMD brought out the K6, was the first PC I built. I was thinking of going with the Ryzen 5, especially since I do more than just game on my desktop. If I build it within the next month or so, I will be sure to let you know how it goes

[AOD_Anvil]

Thanks everyone for all of your help!

Zed and I are gonna meet up for that cooler, and I will order some thermal past on amazon right away.

Cheers gents, you rock!

[Symsyr]

Thanks everyone for all of your help!

Zed and I are gonna meet up for that cooler, and I will order some thermal past on amazon right away.

Cheers gents, you rock!

Always happy to help

[effectiv]

Glad we could help. In the meantime, leaving HWMonitor on there to monitor temps can help down the road. I always have mine on when gaming, but it's mainly because I'm overclocked to the heavens :p


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[ZED]

I think you misinterpreted what I meant.

I meant the hardware would kill itself (fry) before it could ever get that hot. If it's 159c (still can't see the picture..off in 4 mins) that's like oven temperatures. If you read the thread I posted, other people also say it's not physically possible and agree it's a bad sensor.

Anvil, try reapplying the thermal paste and see what happens. If it's been running on the same stock paste for nearly a decade, there's a good chance the first application has whittled down to a pitiful existence. It seems to me like the rest of your system is functioning given the CPU fan is spinning.


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I don't think it's a bad sensor. It hits 159 C and then goes to 56 C.

I just noticed the picture of the case he posted. The PSU is above the CPU. That's not a good place. I remember back in the days when most cases had this thing having PSU above the CPU. One day my fans began to die within a PSU and I decided to replace them instead of getting a new PSU. So, I disassembled the PSU and replaced stock fans with Zalman (back then those were the best) but I did not pay attention the direction they were spinning. So, as a result The PSU was sucking in the air from the outside and blowing in the air to the inside of the case from the top. Thus, it was heating up the whole system including the CPU. I then quickly realized that the CPU is overheating as the PC would shut down on its own once the CPU hits 75 C (I did set the limit of the temperature within the BIOS so the system shut's down on it's own once it hits 75 C).

So, I had to go back and open the PSU and set the fans like they were supposed to be, suck air from the inside the case and blow it out to the outside at the back of the case.

With that said, I believe that the PSU that he is using is pulling air from the outside and is blowing hot air from the PSU onto the CPU. Most modern PSU's are constructed that way as opposed to old ones.

[effectiv]

I don't think it's a bad sensor. It hits 159 C and then goes to 56 C.

I just noticed the picture of the case he posted. The PSU is above the CPU. That's not a good place. I remember back in the days when most cases had this thing having PSU above the CPU. One day my fans began to die within a PSU and I decided to replace them instead of getting a new PSU. So, I disassembled the PSU and replaced stock fans with Zalman (back then those were the best) but I did not pay attention the direction they were spinning. So, as a result The PSU was sucking in the air from the outside and blowing in the air to the inside of the case from the top. Thus, it was heating up the whole system including the CPU. I then quickly realized that the CPU is overheating as the PC would shut down on its own once the CPU hits 75 C (I did set the limit of the temperature within the BIOS so the system shut's down on it's own once it hits 75 C).

So, I had to go back and open the PSU and set the fans like they were supposed to be, suck air from the inside the case and blow it out to the outside at the back of the case.

With that said, I believe that the PSU that he is using is pulling air from the outside and is blowing hot air from the PSU onto the CPU. Most modern PSU's are constructed that way as opposed to old ones.

I'm home now.

There's a problem with your statement.

If the PSU was causing the case to get to 159c then it would stay at 159c. It wouldn't go back to 56c. It would hover there around 150c-165c. Air doesn't magically get cooler around the case if something like that happens, especially in a hot box like his PC case, it's constant, like water. In liquid cooling setups, temps don't change much at load even after they go through the radiator, they get to a balanced spot and they normally stay there within a few degrees until the load goes down and it has time to cool. The same applies to air cooling. If anything, air cooling should cool down quicker after the load is released. Now, I'm not saying you're wrong about the PSU causing more heat. I'm saying that the CPUTIN NUMBER is bogus. 100%. There's no way that it gets that hot lol. It'd would 100% fry and never turn back on again if that number was accurate. Especially since Anvil was having this issue for weeks/months now.

Upon further investigation, I've found out WHY it was reading at 159c in this thread: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...gh-CPUTIN-temp

TLDR: CPUTIN is a bogus number, ignore it. It's completely irrelevant because HWMonitor displays it completely wrong. Read link.