Opinions on upgrade componants

[AOD_Anvil]

Hi folks, me again.

I was talking with Chandler about some ongoing rebooting troubles I am having which I think are software related and after chatting about it more, I think I am going to go ahead and sell off my spare mobo, ram, existing ram and mobo, and 1070 to pay for a new mobo, CPU and DDR4 ram. Chandler recommended a CPU and some ram which seem to make sense to me, but we couldn't settle on a mobo. So two questions, first is do you agree with Chandler on the CPU/RAM selection and second, what mobo do you recommend?


Proposed Processor: Kaby Lake i7 7700k $384.99
Proposed RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw V Series 16GB (2x8GB) $179.99
Proposed Mobo: ??

2 notes, first is I need a mobo that is compatible with 1 NVME SSD (I have the Samsung 960 PRO M.2 1TB and second is I plan to swap out the 1070 listed below with a 1080ti.

Thank you!

Here's my specs:
Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Case: Thermaltake Element V Case
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 980 @ 3.33GHz (12 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 24GB DDR3
DirectX Version: DirectX 12
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
400GB SSD
2TB HDD
PSU: 750W

[SmokingBarrel]

Are you on a budget? Timeframe? Considering the 8700K just came out I would probably spend the $ and get it. Just about every motherboard will have an NVME slot, it depends on what you want from the mobo, and if color scheme is important. But even then a board like this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16813119039 is still going to have just about everything you want and overclock just fine. Its crazy how its all pretty much just bling these days.

[ZED]

I would get i7 8700k at this point. As for mobo, stay away from Gigabyte. Go with ASUS, MSI or EVGA and you'll be fine.
I'm still rocking ASUS Z170 Maximus VIII Hero along with i7 7700k and it works flawless. Overclocks like a charm. I only had headaches with Gigabyte mobos. Never had issues with ASUS mobos in 15 years.

[KaosC57]

There's two ways you can go with your upgrade.

Since you are already going to get a 1080Ti, you are pretty much free to chose anything you want for CPU.

Build 1: Intel...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($279.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H110i 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($143.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $816.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 14:35 EDT-0400

While you might have a 750W PSU and a Case already, it's a good idea to get a reputable PSU, and 650W is more than enough for this system with a 1080ti plus overclocking. And a Liquid Cooler with this setup is pretty much needed so that your CPU stays nice and cold.

Build 2: Ryzen!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H110i 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($87.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($162.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $813.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 14:38 EDT-0400

If you want to take the route of having a PC that can do more than just gaming, then Ryzen is here for you! The R7 1700 can do both Gaming and Streaming at the same time without dropping the ball, and also works great with Video Editing or 3D Rendering and such.

Build 3: Kindof a silly build, but is still viable with a 1080Ti.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7800X 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($363.19 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H110i 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X299 Killer SLI/ac ATX LGA2066 Motherboard ($208.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($299.44 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1154.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 14:43 EDT-0400

This build would literally do anything you want to throw at it and more, but is kind of rediculous for a normal gamer. But, if you ever planned to Stream, it would be pretty killer!

[KaosC57]

Don't know why this double posted...

[ZED]

There's two ways you can go with your upgrade.

Since you are already going to get a 1080Ti, you are pretty much free to chose anything you want for CPU.

Build 1: Intel...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($279.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H110i 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($143.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $816.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 14:35 EDT-0400

While you might have a 750W PSU and a Case already, it's a good idea to get a reputable PSU, and 650W is more than enough for this system with a 1080ti plus overclocking. And a Liquid Cooler with this setup is pretty much needed so that your CPU stays nice and cold.

Build 2: Ryzen!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H110i 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($87.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($162.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $813.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 14:38 EDT-0400

If you want to take the route of having a PC that can do more than just gaming, then Ryzen is here for you! The R7 1700 can do both Gaming and Streaming at the same time without dropping the ball, and also works great with Video Editing or 3D Rendering and such.

Build 3: Kindof a silly build, but is still viable with a 1080Ti.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7800X 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($363.19 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H110i 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X299 Killer SLI/ac ATX LGA2066 Motherboard ($208.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($299.44 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1154.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 14:43 EDT-0400

This build would literally do anything you want to throw at it and more, but is kind of rediculous for a normal gamer. But, if you ever planned to Stream, it would be pretty killer!

All three builds are useless for gaming.
Better off getting i7 8700k. Also, he does not need AIO cooler. I already gave him mine. Plus, he is in Canada. Best deals he can get are from Canada Computers here.

[KaosC57]

All three builds are useless for gaming.
Better off getting i7 8700k. Also, he does not need AIO cooler. I already gave him mine. Plus, he is in Canada. Best deals he can get are from Canada Computers here.

First: An i5-8600k is NOT useless for Gaming, and same for the Ryzen 7 1700. The i5-8600k is the most price efficient Gaming CPU on the market. He's gonna be running 1440p or higher, where the CPU Power starts to fall off heavily, so any of these builds would work perfectly for 1440p or higher.

Second: He should have said something about the AIO.

Third: He should have said he was in Canadaland.

[ZED]

First: An i5-8600k is NOT useless for Gaming, and same for the Ryzen 7 1700. The i5-8600k is the most price efficient Gaming CPU on the market. He's gonna be running 1440p or higher, where the CPU Power starts to fall off heavily, so any of these builds would work perfectly for 1440p or higher.

Second: He should have said something about the AIO.

Third: He should have said he was in Canadaland.

Why suggest lower performing CPU like an i5 if he is on i7 now? 1700 performs way worse in gaming than i7 8700k. Games still prefer higher frequency and single core performance of multi-core performance. Also, i7 8700k also is giving a hard time in multi-core performance to 1700. Both cost pretty much the same here in Canada. So, I rather get i7 8700k over 1700 and get a better price/performance
It says Canada in his profile... could have looked there.

i7 8700k vs Ryzen 7 1700
33% difference in performance: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...700/3937vs3917 Plus once i7 8700k is OC, the gap gets only bigger.

[KaosC57]

Why suggest lower performing CPU like an i5 if he is on i7 now? 1700 performs way worse in gaming than i7 8700k. Games still prefer higher frequency and single core performance of multi-core performance. Also, i7 8700k also is giving a hard time in multi-core performance to 1700. Both cost pretty much the same here in Canada. So, I rather get i7 8700k over 1700 and get a better price/performance
It says Canada in his profile... could have looked there.

i7 8700k vs Ryzen 7 1700
33% difference in performance: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...700/3937vs3917 Plus once i7 8700k is OC, the gap gets only bigger.

Userbenchmark isn't everything bro. Real World Performance also factors into this. And you forget that you can also OC the R7 1700. It might not be as effective of an OC'er as the 8700k, but it can be OC'd.

[ZED]

Userbenchmark isn't everything bro. Real World Performance also factors into this. And you forget that you can also OC the R7 1700. It might not be as effective of an OC'er as the 8700k, but it can be OC'd.

Right, and that's why there are over 20k user benchmark submissions to database for Ryzen 1700 and it clearly shows that it is 84% vs 112% i7 8700k gaming performance. It's as real world as it gets my friend. I used to have i5 6600k and now I have i7 7700k and the numbers on that website are very accurate because they come from many users.

[AOD_Anvil]

Are you on a budget? Timeframe? Considering the 8700K just came out I would probably spend the $ and get it. Just about every motherboard will have an NVME slot, it depends on what you want from the mobo, and if color scheme is important. But even then a board like this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16813119039 is still going to have just about everything you want and overclock just fine. Its crazy how its all pretty much just bling these days.

Not on a timeframe and I don't care about looks. I want performance. I plan to play ELite Dangerous and Star Citizen primarily on the rig, maybe the odd FPS here and there. I want to reuse whatever I can to keep my costs down, but CPU, Mobo and RAM will probably run me a good $800-$850. The less the better, but if I can sell some of my existing hardware then I am golden. so let's say $600 ideal, $1K max.

[AOD_Anvil]

I would get i7 8700k at this point. As for mobo, stay away from Gigabyte. Go with ASUS, MSI or EVGA and you'll be fine.
I'm still rocking ASUS Z170 Maximus VIII Hero along with i7 7700k and it works flawless. Overclocks like a charm. I only had headaches with Gigabyte mobos. Never had issues with ASUS mobos in 15 years.

I was talking with Chandler and he mentioned that the performance increase from a Kabby lake to a Coffee lake is maybe 10% and the price for a Kabby is $70 cheaper. Is it worth the extra $?

If I go with the i7 8700k, it says I need a mobo that is LGA 1151 (300 series) socket compatible. I did a search on newegg and found option 1 MSI, option 2 MSI, option 3 ASUS and option 4 ASUS. Of these, which do you think is the best go and why? I dont know much about mobo's so I am trying to understand what is best for my situation. Keeping in mind I want at least one NVME m.2 slot for my Samsung SSD, I eventually want 32GB of RAM (though may start with 24GB to get me going and keep costs down)

With the new Mobo, CPU, RAM, 1080ti and 1TB SSD, will my 750W PSU (650W shown since I cant find 750W on Newegg) be sufficient?

Here's a pic of the inside of my case if that will help.

Thanks so much for your help!

[ZED]

I was talking with Chandler and he mentioned that the performance increase from a Kabby lake to a Coffee lake is maybe 10% and the price for a Kabby is $70 cheaper. Is it worth the extra $?

If I go with the i7 8700k, it says I need a mobo that is LGA 1151 (300 series) socket compatible. I did a search on newegg and found option 1 MSI, option 2 MSI, option 3 ASUS and option 4 ASUS. Of these, which do you think is the best go and why? I dont know much about mobo's so I am trying to understand what is best for my situation. Keeping in mind I want at least one NVME m.2 slot for my Samsung SSD, I eventually want 32GB of RAM (though may start with 24GB to get me going and keep costs down)

With the new Mobo, CPU, RAM, 1080ti and 1TB SSD, will my 750W PSU (650W shown since I cant find 750W on Newegg) be sufficient?

Here's a pic of the inside of my case if that will help.

Thanks so much for your help!

First of all I suggest to look for parts at Canada Computers. They have better deals there: http://www.canadacomputers.com and you can pick up parts in any nearest store to your location. Usually, Etobicoke (near Sherway Gardens) has most parts available.
Yes, there is only 10% difference in gaming performance between i7 8700k and i7 7700k. This is the reason why I will not upgrade my i7 7700k to i7 8700k and I will skip and wait for Cannon Lake. However, if I had to build a new PC then I'd go with i7 8700k because it has extra two cores and 4 threads. It will be better in a long run. So, in this case $70 is worth it. Also, Canada Computers has new deals coming up every week. So, I'd keep an eye on deals for i7 8700k and grab one when there is some sale.

As for Z370 mobo, this should be a solid mobo:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/produ...item_id=114561
It has everything you need. If you want to save a bit more then this one is good enough for your needs: http://www.canadacomputers.com/produ...item_id=114417 They have stock on this in pretty much every store.

Your 24 GB of RAM will not fit your new mobo because you will need DDR4. So you will have to buy either 16 GB (2x8) for now and if there is really a need for 32 GB then you can upgrade later. Although, for gaming 16 GB at this point is more than enough.

650W is enough for that build. Your system will use 500W at most with all overclocking.

P.S. Honestly, this is not the best time to do any upgrades or new builds. That includes buying GTX 1080 Ti. As much as I want to get GTX 1080 Ti, knowing that NVIDIA Volta is just a few month away and knowing that rumors say that it will be 132% faster over current generation NVIDIA GPU's, I'm patiently waiting to do an upgrade from GTX 1070 to NVIDIA Volta, perhaps GTX 2080.

[AOD_Anvil]

Thanks Zed. As always you are extremely helpful.

I hear you on timing. Thankfully the SSD and 1080ti were gifts.

[ZED]

Thanks Zed. As always you are extremely helpful.

I hear you on timing. Thankfully the SSD and 1080ti were gifts.

So, here is what you could do in this case. Stick with that GTX 1080 Ti, sell GTX 1070. Don't upgrade other components yet. Wait for NVIDIA Volta. Sell the whole rig on Kijiji, you should be able to get around $2000 for that rig. Then using that money you can build an insane PC with the new NVIDIA GPU, that will give you a huge boost. If you can wait a few month then that's the best way to save money and then have an insanely fast gaming rig and up to date.

Personally, here is what I'm going to do. I'll buy on Kijiji some PC with an i5 or i7 inside for roughly $200 - $300, throw in my GTX 1070 and sell the rig for $900 - $1200. Not only I'm getting full amount of the money back that I paid for my GTX 1070 when I bought it in 2016 in July but also, I get some extra cash on top of it. This is how I upgrade my PC and save huge amount of money on my build.

[ZED]

Wait for NVIDIA Volta. Sell the whole rig on Kijiji,

I meant to say, sell the whole rig once Volta is out.

[SmokingBarrel]

I am running an overclocked 7700K, overclocked 1080Ti, 3 SSD 1 HDD and an NVME SDD on a 750W PSU.