Don't buy Video Cards right now if you can avoid it...

[Lilith]

1080 TI, and other Nvidia / AMD Cards are going for $1,500 USD right now due to Miners buying them all up for the cryptocurrency.

Got my 1080ti for like $800 now its like $1,499 USD.

If going that route might as well buy a Titan XP.

[AOD_FireStrike*]

Yeah the 1080 TI specifically was hovering at $800 +/- 100 before the cryptocurrency hype, but they're now at $1200 give or take. I'm definitely waiting for the market to re-stabilize before I get one myself

[effectiv]

The 1070 is $1000 right now... hmm.. may sell mine rofl. Bought it for $379 a couple of weeks after release.


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[AOD_Anvil]

I bought my 1070 for $500 and just sold it with a few other parts for $1,000. Pretty happy about that one, want to use the funds towards a new gaming PC once the next gen Nvidia cards come out.

[ZED]

Not only because of price you should avoid buying a new GPU but also because of new generation coming out most likely in May after GTC.
Samsung announced yesterday that they began production of GDDR6 and began to ship it to partners, which means that production of new GPU's is underway. Source: https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/18/...raphics-cards/

Moreover, that might be the major reason why prices went up because the stocks are low on current GPU's due to the fact that the production of current GPU's is being slowed down because the production of next gen GPU's is on its way. Miners just fast forwarded the process to deplete stock at stores/warehouses, thus allowing wholesale companies jack up the price due to more demand than supply - basic economy rules.

[AOD_Anomaly187]

Good thing I'm not looking to upgrade. Got a Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8gb last summer and it still does the job just fine for me.

[AOD_Centaur6]

new generation coming out most likely in May after GTC.

Let's hope you are right haha.
Now we can only wait ;(

[Tymplar]

Latest is that NVIDIA is making an appeal to GPU manufacturers to prioritize gamers over miners:

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...urrency-miners

Not REALLY quite sure how they could dictate to the GPU manufacturers as to who they sell the cards to, as you really have NO idea of knowing what their primary use is to begin with. Ok, so yeah, a serious GPU-based miner might try and buy 5-6 cards at one time, so limiting buyers to a single card at a time might help, but not likely.

Yes, it does chap my ass a little bit because my new build (currently in progress but on hold due to moving to a new house in a couple of weeks) will have a GTX Titan XP (Star Wars Edition) at its core, and I wanted to use my current build to start mining with. I'm currently running a GTX 1080 Ti and wanted to grab a second one, but like others have already mentioned, either A) They're impossible to find, or B) They're INSANELY expensive (like 2-2.5x original price at launch last year).

I put the responsibility on both NVIDIA and AMD to fast-track their plans for mining-specific GPUs. I believe they both announced plans for this mid-2017 but still nothing.

Can't be that hard for them, can it? Same cards with same or higher CUDA core count, lower voltage, lower core clock and higher memory clock?

They could launch them at about $2,000 a piece and they'd sell out in record time...

Thoughts?

[ZED]

A) They're impossible to find, or B) They're INSANELY expensive (like 2-2.5x original price at launch last year).

Or C) wait for GTC in May 2018 for next gen GPU announcement. GDDR6 is in mass production already. https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/18/...raphics-cards/

Pascal is 2 years old. Time to move on. Either way, it's the worst time to get a new GPU. My 18 month old GTX 1070 is looking to retire soon.

[Tymplar]

The GTC events are dedicated to deep learning & AI centric use-cases, and I'm thinking they still keep the focus on the HMB2-based Volta architecture. MAYBE they touch on or somehow teas Ampere, but I think it'd be too soon after just announcing the Titan V.

UNLESS...maybe...this goes along with some of the other threads we've had here in that NVIDIA could be making some changes to the workstation-class arena. It could be that they drop Quadro for workstation-class uses and leave it dedicated to the data center (for the "K" product lines). Perhaps then Titan V (being Volta) will be the start of workstation-class products being Volta-based, then possibly, gaming / mainstream / enthusiasts products being Ampere-based. Volta could keep the HBM2 / HBM3 segments and then they could use the more cost-effective GDDR6 for the gaming / mainstream / enthusiasts cards.

That's the only way I think we'd see anything new along those lines announced at GTC in May. Unless absolutely no one bought into the Titan V and they want to ditch it altogether, it'd be a huge issue to either neglect Volta & HBM2 or to split Volta into having both HBM2 and GDDR6 models. If they start to give people too many different options with varying technologies and more quickly saying the new one is far superior than the last, they'll end up seriously diminishing the value of their cards to the mainstream (and confusing the fuck out of the majority) would would result in disrupting their sales cycles. They have no reason to worry about AMD in terms of competition and can afford to slow-play any new releases. I think it'd be cool to see NVIDIA either move to a more "tick / tock" release cycle (like Intel used to have before going to three phases) where something like Pascal would be a major technology / architecture change, then something, like, say, Volta, would be a refresh to it one year in. Then the following year, something like Ampere would be the next major technology / architecture change, so on and so forth.

My guess is that the biggest announcement at GTC 2018 will be a cryptocurrency mining specific GPU or even specific platform altogether. It could be that's where Volta could end up being positioned as in using HBM2 (but early testing with the Titan V wouldn't even work with most common mining applications and / or algorithms...not to say that can't change, though). But that could definitely be the silver lining in how to differentiate Volta from Ampere and HBM2 from GDDR6 :)

I dunno...I know that's a lot of "what ifs" but depending on the supply of GDDR6, and what they end up doing, I think it'll still be end of 2018 before we see the replacement of the GTX 10xx.

[Tymplar]

One more quick thought...I just saw something that shows Volta having Tensor cores, something specific to AI and Deep Learning. Pascal didn't have Tensor cores. Perhaps Ampere won't, either.

[effectiv]

Update:

Nvidia has locked prices through their website and are limiting sales to 2 per person. GTX 1080ti’s start at 699 for a founders edition.

This is a huge step in the right direction.


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[ZED]

The GTC events are dedicated to deep learning & AI centric use-cases, and I'm thinking they still keep the focus on the HMB2-based Volta architecture..

Pascal was announced on GTC in May, 2016 and GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 were on shelves in June at any store.

[AOD_Heller222]

Talked to my local computer store https://www.memoryexpress.com/ and they are taking stock of the new card series which will be the volta https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/titan/titan-v/ it will be at a reduced price he said about $1000 CAD and will be taking over the 1080 TI not sure exactly when but apparently they are taking stock of them

[effectiv]

Another update:
If anyone is near a Microcenter, they have made a statement that if you talk to a manager they will do their best to give you their lowest price. I’m thinking this will be probing questions to see if you’re a miner and on top of that they’ll limit what they sell you.


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[Velozzity]

Talked to my local computer store https://www.memoryexpress.com/ and they are taking stock of the new card series which will be the volta https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/titan/titan-v/ it will be at a reduced price he said about $1000 CAD and will be taking over the 1080 TI not sure exactly when but apparently they are taking stock of them

So are you saying they are getting in some new volta cards which are meant to equal a 1080ti in performance. I know that my 1070 is approximately equal to a 980ti and it released with a MSRP around $450 usd, I would hope the next generation XX70 (lets assume its a 2070) would at least surpass a gtx 1080 and come close to a 1080ti for near gtx 1070 price, $1000 cad still seems like price gouging due to mining to me.

Another update:
If anyone is near a Microcenter, they have made a statement that if you talk to a manager they will do their best to give you their lowest price. I’m thinking this will be probing questions to see if you’re a miner and on top of that they’ll limit what they sell you.


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in this video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NIr-3UY_U

they point out that their nearest micro center didn't really discount the cards because as they put it "Newegg and Amazon sell them for that much"

[effectiv]

in this video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NIr-3UY_U

they point out that their nearest micro center didn't really discount the cards because as they put it "Newegg and Amazon sell them for that much"

In this video they stated that they had someone go to a Microcenter in Michigan and that mileage will vary depending on the store.

The main reason for their gripe is because Microcenter is a 1st party retailer selling GPUs at gouged prices and the price gouging is 95% from scalpers and 3rd party resellers, not retailers.

I agree with them saying a 1st party retailer basically jumping on board with the ridiculous prices is absurd, but you can’t apply 1 manager experience to the entire company. This statement was recently released. Maybe that dude was on vacation or didn’t get the memo. Even then, management between big retailers will always differ.


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[Velozzity]

So Effectiv did you successfully buy a high end pascal card for near MSRP at microcenter? Just curious if you had first hand experience or like me just read tech news/youtube and re-posted here?

[effectiv]

So Effectiv did you successfully buy a high end pascal card for near MSRP at microcenter? Just curious if you had first hand experience or like me just read tech news/youtube and re-posted here?

Unfortunately, I live in the middle of nowhere and don’t have a Microcenter near me. I used to live in Dallas and frequented the one there though.


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[ZED]

But Micro Center is not a Wholesale department. They still buy their products from Wholesale just as NewEgg and sellers on Amazon. I've worked in one of the largest Wholesale Computer Hardware corporations in Europe at the logistics department and have seen all prices, where, what and how it is being shipped. Occasionally we shipped some components to the US as well. So, these price gouging is literally based on the lack of Supply, while there is more Demand than Supply. Thus, because retailers have more Demand than Supply they simply increase their prices. It's just simple basic Economy.