CLONE WARS HAS MADE ITS RETURN!....sort of.

[Anakin]

It was announced it'd be renewed for twelve episodes, and will only be viewable via Disney's streaming service. It isn't really a good return however because of them using mostly unfinished episodes you can already watch on youtube, but apparently there's gonna be new stuff about Mandalore.

>tries to boost approval among fans
>locks behind paywall

What does everyone else think?

[Ninety]

Idea: perfect
End result: baaad.

Really? Make fans excited and then ruin their hopes and dreams in a single day?

Damn.

[Hicks]

Meh

[Master Butters]

I've personally never considered those Saturday Morning Cartoon looking things as being canon. They've always looked so cheap and bad to me that I just couldn't get into them.

That said, I know many people love them, but I think that currently Disney has done far too much damage to come back into the fan's good graces any time soon unless they have a HUGE change from the top (Fire Kathleen Kennedy). They banked too hard on the mega SJW crowd to become their new fan base and cash cow and it didn't happen for them. Not to say they haven't made a shit ton of money from Star Wars, and they've certainly made many fans, but I don't think they met their expectations.

[Anakin]

I've personally never considered those Saturday Morning Cartoon looking things as being canon. They've always looked so cheap and bad to me that I just couldn't get into them.

That said, I know many people love them, but I think that currently Disney has done far too much damage to come back into the fan's good graces any time soon unless they have a HUGE change from the top (Fire Kathleen Kennedy). They banked too hard on the mega SJW crowd to become their new fan base and cash cow and it didn't happen for them. Not to say they haven't made a shit ton of money from Star Wars, and they've certainly made many fans, but I don't think they met their expectations.

I agree, their tactics have been failures mostly, and they thought they could bank on nostalgia for an infinite amount of time with random people and it's come to pass clearly with The Last Jedi and Solo's failures. Now they are trying to bring back their approval with TCW, and while I disagree on some of your statement like the cartoons being bad or not canon, I thought '03 Clone Wars was good, and '08 Clone Wars was good until George left the project and let Filoni take hold completely and ruin it by drowning it with Ahsoka, as he did with Rebels and it tanked. They are definitely treating it as a cash cow for sure (name one store you don't see cheap merchandise in nowadays), and have cheapened the brand, but the good news is that more and more people are waking up to it.

[Master Butters]

I agree, their tactics have been failures mostly, and they thought they could bank on nostalgia for an infinite amount of time with random people and it's come to pass clearly with The Last Jedi and Solo's failures. Now they are trying to bring back their approval with TCW, and while I disagree on some of your statement like the cartoons being bad or not canon, I thought '03 Clone Wars was good, and '08 Clone Wars was good until George left the project and let Filoni take hold completely and ruin it by drowning it with Ahsoka, as he did with Rebels and it tanked. They are definitely treating it as a cash cow for sure (name one store you don't see cheap merchandise in nowadays), and have cheapened the brand, but the good news is that more and more people are waking up to it.

It was my opinion that they are bad and not canon. Main reason being that these things happened between Episodes 2 and 3, some major plot points happened (such as Anakin, who himself is a padawan to Obiwan, training Asohka) and yet these things are never even mentioned once during the events of Episode 3. Don't know if they try to explain that stuff away or not, nor do I personally care. From what little I have seen from them (mostly clips here and there), it just never struck a chord with me. As I said, I know people really like them, and that's cool. It just never resonated with me.


As far as it being a cash cow, I agree. I remember being little and Star Wars toys seemed to sell very well (mind you, I was just a child. I didn't see the inner workings of what went on behind the scenes). Now I work in a retail store and stock toys. We still have toys from Episode 7 that just don't sell. I remember hearing people say how when Toys R Us was going out of business they clearanced their toys out super cheap, and people still didn't buy the Star Wars toys. I really do hope they get rid of Ms. Kennedy and hire someone who actually cares about the source material and isn't out to just push an agenda (and then say you're a bigot or something for not liking it, because that's how you build a loving fan base, right?)


Part of the reason that I think the toys sold so well back then was because you were given breathing room between each movie. You didn't feel bombarded with Star Wars film after Star Wars film, it made them feel more special. They may not have been good films (talking prequels, obviously), but still.

[Fang]

better than trash rebels

[Derek Jeter]

[Revan]

[Black]

Personally I was never a really big fan of the art style of the series, or of how it does put a damper on the movie canon, since even though Ahsoka leaves in between episode 2 and 3 you'd think she'd at least be mentioned one time; but some of the character arcs and overall story is really really really good. Ahsoka in particular is one of my favorite character progressions of any SW character ever. It's a shame that this season looks like it's being half-assed, but we'll see how it ends up. I'm still hopeful either way.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[Anakin]

Personally I was never a really big fan of the art style of the series, or of how it does put a damper on the movie canon, since even though Ahsoka leaves in between episode 2 and 3 you'd think she'd at least be mentioned one time; but some of the character arcs and overall story is really really really good. Ahsoka in particular is one of my favorite character progressions of any SW character ever. It's a shame that this season looks like it's being half-assed, but we'll see how it ends up. I'm still hopeful either way.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I think it'll be fine, most of the episodes like I said you can watch on youtube rn, just not as clean as you'd like. My problem mostly lies with the behind the scenes aspects of it, and as much as I may or may not like Ahsoka, I always thought they focused way too much on her with the shows where they could have in other fields and not ruined the principle of the series itself.

[Anakin]

It was my opinion that they are bad and not canon. Main reason being that these things happened between Episodes 2 and 3, some major plot points happened (such as Anakin, who himself is a padawan to Obiwan, training Asohka) and yet these things are never even mentioned once during the events of Episode 3. Don't know if they try to explain that stuff away or not, nor do I personally care. From what little I have seen from them (mostly clips here and there), it just never struck a chord with me. As I said, I know people really like them, and that's cool. It just never resonated with me.


As far as it being a cash cow, I agree. I remember being little and Star Wars toys seemed to sell very well (mind you, I was just a child. I didn't see the inner workings of what went on behind the scenes). Now I work in a retail store and stock toys. We still have toys from Episode 7 that just don't sell. I remember hearing people say how when Toys R Us was going out of business they clearanced their toys out super cheap, and people still didn't buy the Star Wars toys. I really do hope they get rid of Ms. Kennedy and hire someone who actually cares about the source material and isn't out to just push an agenda (and then say you're a bigot or something for not liking it, because that's how you build a loving fan base, right?)


Part of the reason that I think the toys sold so well back then was because you were given breathing room between each movie. You didn't feel bombarded with Star Wars film after Star Wars film, it made them feel more special. They may not have been good films (talking prequels, obviously), but still.

Well...I loved the prequels, I grew up with them and I think anything one can say was bad about the prequels, they'd now understand was nowhere near as bad when they see the sequels and how they are. (Literally every prequel complaint but just about 99% true and three times as bad) I agree with the sales of toys aspect, but I think that's chalked up to them cheapening the brand as much as possible, ie; what they've done to marvel for money. They don't understand that a franchise like this is inherently different I guess, that not everyone liked star wars the way 99% of people liked superheroes (nostalgia isn't gonna pay off forever), and their true intentions are really played out when you also realize that they tried to buy *gagging noise* star trek first for much less than they paid for star wars. I'd agree with you too about getting rid of Kennedy if it weren't for the simple fact that we play out right now. Disney cares far less about substance than they do money. All in all I'm sure they made back the billion in the space between them buying it and the time Rogue One released. As long as Kennedy is making them money it doesn't matter how awful the content is, because they're getting paid, right about the same way they are with marvel. Many many people I know have actually literally just straight up said "The Last Jedi is a marvel movie" because of the forced humor and the similarities you'd see between the two, and another area of the lack of care can be easily displayed by their lack of lore and their building the universe around what they do and clarifying as they go and when they make mistakes. It's sad, because I never really appreciated George (none of us did) or the EU really until they were all gone and most of my favorite thing was completely different and ruined.

[Barriss]

I agree

[Barriss]

Eee

[Sniperclysm]

Just got done watching Star Wars The CLONE WARS on Netflix. Wish they bring Ahsoka Tano on the new star wars movies or Mace Windu.

[Anakin]

Just got done watching Star Wars The CLONE WARS on Netflix. Wish they bring Ahsoka Tano on the new star wars movies or Mace Windu.

they brought ahsoka back in cartoons but idk who they'd cast as her in the films. mace is dead, dead dead.

[Hicks]

I only saw... what 2 seasons of the clone wars and the movie.. They have heavily disappointed me about how super kiddish it really is. I remember when Boba Fett was being advertise on TV about how he was coming in to rekt some fools. But all he did in the show is just stun one clone trooper. ONE CLONE TROOPER. Are you fking kidding me? I've waited for 2 seasons for something great, and it straight up failed. I gave up on that show right after that. Honestly I blv rebels is a better show than the clone wars from what I seen. Sure Rebels has a lot of dum moments that is ment for kids, but looking pass that, its pretty much the original star wars films. Maybe I'm just an original trilogy fan at heart and clone wars does not feel like star wars to me.

[Anakin]

I only saw... what 2 seasons of the clone wars and the movie.. They have heavily disappointed me about how super kiddish it really is. I remember when Boba Fett was being advertise on TV about how he was coming in to rekt some fools. But all he did in the show is just stun one clone trooper. ONE CLONE TROOPER. Are you fking kidding me? I've waited for 2 seasons for something great, and it straight up failed. I gave up on that show right after that. Honestly I blv rebels is a better show than the clone wars from what I seen. Sure Rebels has a lot of dum moments that is ment for kids, but looking pass that, its pretty much the original star wars films. Maybe I'm just an original trilogy fan at heart and clone wars does not feel like star wars to me.

yikes... I mean, if you want to discount the fact that they make the Imperials so incompetent that it's hard to believe the rebels ever had issues or the fact that just about no one gets hurt or dies, and some other terribly awful things like Ezra and Kanan literally being bad ripoffs of Kota and Galen Marek... I know that seasons 3-5 of TCW are much more universally enjoyed than the first two, and they definitely are less "childish".
I guess it partially depends on how you feel about Disney, which I absolutely hate. And I like the prequel era and post-RotJ eras the most as well, so that also could be a factor.

[Hicks]

yikes... I mean, if you want to discount the fact that they make the Imperials so incompetent that it's hard to believe the rebels ever had issues or the fact that just about no one gets hurt or dies, and some other terribly awful things like Ezra and Kanan literally being bad ripoffs of Kota and Galen Marek... I know that seasons 3-5 of TCW are much more universally enjoyed than the first two, and they definitely are less "childish".
I guess it partially depends on how you feel about Disney, which I absolutely hate. And I like the prequel era and post-RotJ eras the most as well, so that also could be a factor.

I will give you that. The imperials in rebels show are pretty stupid. I kinda expected that as a normal storm trooper (in white) because thats how I tend to view them. They can never hit anything, they can be mind trick by an old man, and they are not that smart generally speaking. However, when it came to the Dark Troopers, they totally wasted them and made them like storm troopers level of dum. As for death there has been death in the show. Its just a lot of it is just background characters.

Spoiler

Stormtroopers, Two imperial officers in the first season, the inquistor in the season finale. Rebels were destroyed in the beginning of season two thanks to Vader (space ship battle). Three inquistors in the 2nd season, Darth Maul death in 3rd season, The captain guy (who I cant remember the name right now), half of rebel fleet in season 3 were wiped. Season 4 had alot of death in the mandalorian clan (beginning of the season), Theres Kanan's death, Gregor death. Annddd.... I know I am properly forgetting a few... But thats the most I remember

I do see Ezra and Kanan kinda like Kota and Starkiller. But I didnt reallly like the force unleashed that much. It was a fun game, but the story was pretty stupid in that. In rebels I feel like the characters fit better. Starkiller in the force unleashed was an all powerful and mighty god that even vader cant control him very much. I just can't see vader being beaten by this child so easily. Especially since this is between episode 3 and 4 which imo doesnt fit for me. Like why take the child as your secret apprentice, only then to not use him and basically throw him aside like trash. (because they have to make it where vader is still palptaine's apprentice to fit the films) If he didn't actually need him, just kill him instead of just leaving him alive. Whats even more confusing is in the sequel game, why make a starkiller clone when vader failed to use starkiller in the first place. Just makes vader really underwhelming and kinda stupid. With Ezra, sure hes somewhat annoying, and a bit strong with the force, but hes no match for vader. Vader does not care about taking Ezra, since he was pretty much a weak jedi to him. He would've been dead if Vader was really trying or if there was nothing there to distract him. Kanan I feel like hes so much better than kota. Kota is some random jedi general whos been the leader of the army for this private militia instead of the clones. However he just doesn't seem like someone you could relate to. And sure both kanan and Kota follow similar stuff. Both are drinkers, fallen out of the ways of the jedi, and they teach their padawan the ways of the force in their own way. However I didn't feel that emotion connection with that Kota character unlike Kanan. Kanan struggles, and you see his progression from a smuggler into a jedi knight like how he was suppose to. And I like the dynamic that both Kanan and Ezra had, because they needed each other to progress into their roles. while I feel like Kota didnt really progress anything. He was a General, temporarily took a break, and he came back to where he started.

As for the later seasons of the clone wars, I am aware that the later seasons do get better according to literary everyone on the internet. I only saw maybe 2 or 3 episodes of the last season of the clone wars. I honestly didn't feel the need to go back and watch the rest because I honestly just feel like its a time waster for me. I liked Ashoka better in star wars rebels than I do in the clone wars. And I am not a ashoka fan. I thought they did her right for me. As for hating disney, I grew up watching alot of Disney movies, so maybe I am a bit Disney fan. However I did not exactly enjoy the last jedi. Its got decent moments in the last jedi, but theres alot of issues with the movie. I didnt like the whole Finn and Rose part of the flim, and I feel like it should have been left out to make room for Luke, Rey, and Kylo story more.

As for the prequels. I grew up watching them. When I was younger I use to like them. Mostly just for lightsaber action and the battle themes. Other wise I didn't care about anything else in the movies. The two prequel films, episode 1 and 2, I only liked those films for the lightsaber action. Other wise I was bored out of my mind for the rest of it. Revenge of the Sith was easily the best because it was actually during a war and it felt like Star Wars that time around. No more holding back with the story. Which I feel like the first two prequels Lucas was holding back alot of story he wanted to tell personally due to "being a children's movie" as he likes to call it. So he pushes alot of politics aspect of the prequels, which brings some interesting ideas, but the execution was awful. I can nit pack about the prequels all day long, but point being I only enjoyed those for the action kind of films, not so much on story or character development.

As for Post Return of the Jedi era (I'm amusing the EU), I am never a books person, never have and never will. I do know there's like over 100 different star wars books out there that tells a fuck ton of background stuff. Before the movies, between the movies, and after the movies. I would much prefer to see them on tv or in a movie so I can get the picture better. Mostly what I know base on the EU stuff is from star wars video games. Ex: Shadows of the Empire, Jedi Knight 2 Jedi Outcast, Knights of the Old Republic, The clone wars video game )the 2003 video game( and so on.

[Dreads]

Not gonna lie I got goosebumps when I saw Anakin !!! 1, I hope they don't make it so pg 12. It would be nice if we got to see a darker side of clone wars, like Anakin,Obi-Wan, shakti, plokoon, etc